Don’t Burn Out, Burn In with Julia King Pool
Mar 21, 2024

Don’t Burn Out, Burn In with Julia King Pool


Episode Notes

Julia King Pool joined us last season to talk about the psychology behind the concept of burning in rather than burning out. In this episode, she continues that conversation by sharing specific strategies for approaching some difficult scenarios you might have encountered.

Hosts Juliana and Marlys ask Julia several questions about stressful scenarios educators often find themselves in. These include difficult conversations with a student’s parent, balancing creativity and autonomy with a scripted curriculum, and not feeling supported at school.

Julia provides research-backed steps for these situations and also talks through strategies to help educators’ wellbeing all around. She references Sabine Sonnentag’s work around recovering from the workday in talking about how educators can work toward balance. Sonnentag outlines four aspects to help recover from a workday, including psychological detachment, relaxation, mastery experiences, and control. Julia talks with Juliana and Marlys about the variety of ways those might look for an individual.

This episode also references this RAND research report and also Yuval Noah Harari, author of Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

Learn more about Julia King Pool’s work at or by connecting with her on LinkedIn.

Learn more about the Arizona K12 Center at

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